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		<title>Comment on Greece and the Macroeconomics of Class Struggle. by The Debtors’ Song &#124; Telekommunisten</title>
		<link>http://www.dmytri.info/marcoeconomics-of-class-struggle/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>The Debtors’ Song &#124; Telekommunisten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.dmytri.info/collected-texts-related-to-the-debtors-party-initiative-updated/ [2] http://www.dmytri.info/marcoeconomics-of-class-struggle/ [3] http://bit.ly/buchhandlung FlattrSharePress ThisDigg  &#8592; Previous post  Categories: no [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Greece and the Macroeconomics of Class Struggle. by The Debtors’ Song &#124; Telekommunisten</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Debtors’ Song &#124; Telekommunisten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.dmytri.info/collected-texts-related-to-the-debtors-party-initiative-updated/ [2] http://www.dmytri.info/marcoeconomics-of-class-struggle/ [3] http://bit.ly/buchhandlung FlattrSharePress ThisDigg  &#8592; Previous post  Categories: no [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Collected Texts Related To the Debtors&#8217; Party Initiative. (Updated) by The Debtors’ Song &#124; Telekommunisten</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Debtors’ Song &#124; Telekommunisten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.dmytri.info/collected-texts-related-to-the-debtors-party-initiative-updated/ [2] http://www.dmytri.info/marcoeconomics-of-class-struggle/ [3] http://bit.ly/buchhandlung [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Collected Texts Related To the Debtors&#8217; Party Initiative. (Updated) by The Debtors&#8217; Song &#171; @dmytri - Venture Communist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Debtors&#8217; Song &#171; @dmytri - Venture Communist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Greece and the Macroeconomics of Class Struggle. by The Debtors&#8217; Song &#171; @dmytri - Venture Communist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Debtors&#8217; Song &#171; @dmytri - Venture Communist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dispossession: a note on visitors, residents and proletarianisation &#124; Richard Hall&#039;s Space on Greece and the Macroeconomics of Class Struggle.Dmytri on For projects like Kickstarter to scale they can not depend on the limited funds workers [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Interflugs, Kulturwertmark by Podopolog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Work of Art in the Age of The Digital Replicant v.1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Podopolog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Work of Art in the Age of The Digital Replicant v.1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] analyze this further from the XLt perspective of &quot;Media Self-Defense&quot;, but in the meantime here&#039;s Dmitry Kleiner&#039;s description and analysis of the proposed Kulturwertmarkt project, which is a new autonomous &quot;pipeline&quot; or an alternative economic lifeline structure for cultural [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Greece and the Macroeconomics of Class Struggle. by For an education against dispossession: a note on visitors, residents and proletarianisation &#124; Richard Hall&#039;s Space</title>
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		<dc:creator>For an education against dispossession: a note on visitors, residents and proletarianisation &#124; Richard Hall&#039;s Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reframe our engagements with our digitised life time, through what Dmytri Kleiner calls venture communism, in which [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on For projects like Kickstarter to scale they can not depend on the limited funds workers are able to divert from consumption, and must tap into the real source of accumulation: Surplus Value. by Dmytri</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pit, thanks for the comments. I need to make it more clear that what we are talking about is our &quot;effective working capital,&quot; which is not only the money divertable from consumption, but also available goods and labour. In any case, the principles apply to the large &quot;good non-profit factories&quot; too.

The amount of volunteer time workers can sustainably divert from working is just as fixed an amount as the amount of money can sustainable divert from consumption. 

Thus, this volunteer driven forms of production are also fixed in potential size by the structure of wealth, just as much a mutually financed ones. 

The point is that within a capitalist mode there is a fixed limit on the workers ability to engage in &quot;un-productive&quot; consumption, that is consumption that does not reproduce capital, or even &quot;destructive&quot; consumption, that is consumption that displaces productive consumption. Productive consumption is the kind that does reproduce capital.

What&#039;s more, this limit is driven towards zero by the function of the labour market, and is only kept above zero by the level of social power workers can mobilize to struggle against capital.

Wether this working capital is applied to making &quot;free factories&quot; like wikipedia or tries to make a &quot;million startups bloom,&quot; the total, combined economic size of potential investment in what could be called an autonomist or mutualist or &quot;p2p&quot; economy is limited by the structure of wealth, and only expandable (at its base, we&#039;ve not yet addressed leverage) by political stuggles that expand wages and benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pit, thanks for the comments. I need to make it more clear that what we are talking about is our &#8220;effective working capital,&#8221; which is not only the money divertable from consumption, but also available goods and labour. In any case, the principles apply to the large &#8220;good non-profit factories&#8221; too.</p>
<p>The amount of volunteer time workers can sustainably divert from working is just as fixed an amount as the amount of money can sustainable divert from consumption. </p>
<p>Thus, this volunteer driven forms of production are also fixed in potential size by the structure of wealth, just as much a mutually financed ones. </p>
<p>The point is that within a capitalist mode there is a fixed limit on the workers ability to engage in &#8220;un-productive&#8221; consumption, that is consumption that does not reproduce capital, or even &#8220;destructive&#8221; consumption, that is consumption that displaces productive consumption. Productive consumption is the kind that does reproduce capital.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, this limit is driven towards zero by the function of the labour market, and is only kept above zero by the level of social power workers can mobilize to struggle against capital.</p>
<p>Wether this working capital is applied to making &#8220;free factories&#8221; like wikipedia or tries to make a &#8220;million startups bloom,&#8221; the total, combined economic size of potential investment in what could be called an autonomist or mutualist or &#8220;p2p&#8221; economy is limited by the structure of wealth, and only expandable (at its base, we&#8217;ve not yet addressed leverage) by political stuggles that expand wages and benefits.</p>
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		<title>Comment on For projects like Kickstarter to scale they can not depend on the limited funds workers are able to divert from consumption, and must tap into the real source of accumulation: Surplus Value. by pit</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks. after talking to a former daimler benz manager who opened a crowdfunding metoo platform in germany, i had my doubts already. one can apply your critique to almost any social democrat project approach.  but for a real leftist, why opening up your own startup applies to the workers unite model? start your own factory? does it scale? is the idea good? the &quot;let a million startups bloom&quot; model is a by origin a capitalist model. a good digital maoists works at wikipedia, or anonymously somewhere in the open source mills,  i must admit, wikipedia&#039;s work  or the linux ecology has more impact than all of the projects crowdfunding was able to fund, plus probably a few commercial incubators included, plus media culture as a whole including a few conferences. well meant, good people, but where is the impact? - compare wikipedias cost effectiveness to the one of google.. human volunteers vs. algorithm - and the google plus recruitement camp is doomed to fail. what i want to say, probably we need to think less about leftist entrepreneurship, but rather how to join the large &#039;good&#039; non-profit factories, and try to change and extend them from within, to become a data-ecology - instead of ideosyncratic art politics, invest were it&#039;s worth. wikipedia is far from beeing perfect, but its much more effective working on wikipedia data compatibilty than just extending the myth that every individual social business idea (no matter how lame and ideosyncratic or redundant and affirmative) can make it, if it just finds its well meaning funding crowd. well meaning discourse, or well meaning media conference to support it. who does the reality check you do here about the media culture institutions? it is this myth of individualisation and 15 minutes of fame media craze which is induced by capitalism. and institutional media culture is the interface to mediate and pacify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks. after talking to a former daimler benz manager who opened a crowdfunding metoo platform in germany, i had my doubts already. one can apply your critique to almost any social democrat project approach.  but for a real leftist, why opening up your own startup applies to the workers unite model? start your own factory? does it scale? is the idea good? the &#8220;let a million startups bloom&#8221; model is a by origin a capitalist model. a good digital maoists works at wikipedia, or anonymously somewhere in the open source mills,  i must admit, wikipedia&#8217;s work  or the linux ecology has more impact than all of the projects crowdfunding was able to fund, plus probably a few commercial incubators included, plus media culture as a whole including a few conferences. well meant, good people, but where is the impact? &#8211; compare wikipedias cost effectiveness to the one of google.. human volunteers vs. algorithm &#8211; and the google plus recruitement camp is doomed to fail. what i want to say, probably we need to think less about leftist entrepreneurship, but rather how to join the large &#8216;good&#8217; non-profit factories, and try to change and extend them from within, to become a data-ecology &#8211; instead of ideosyncratic art politics, invest were it&#8217;s worth. wikipedia is far from beeing perfect, but its much more effective working on wikipedia data compatibilty than just extending the myth that every individual social business idea (no matter how lame and ideosyncratic or redundant and affirmative) can make it, if it just finds its well meaning funding crowd. well meaning discourse, or well meaning media conference to support it. who does the reality check you do here about the media culture institutions? it is this myth of individualisation and 15 minutes of fame media craze which is induced by capitalism. and institutional media culture is the interface to mediate and pacify.</p>
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		<title>Comment on For projects like Kickstarter to scale they can not depend on the limited funds workers are able to divert from consumption, and must tap into the real source of accumulation: Surplus Value. by happyseaurchin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>superb!
finally
someone talking sense :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>superb!<br />
finally<br />
someone talking sense <img src='http://www.dmytri.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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